If all you care about is storing up PMs, thinking you can "buy" your way when TSHTF..
 

THINK AGAIN!!! This seminar should scare the crap out of you! :eek:

http://www.efoodsdirect.com/seminars/1.mp3

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I'm interested, just went shopping for another mylar bag volume of dry foods last night. Care to leave a highlight or two for those of us without sound?
Thanks

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Just start reading his presentation, starting here:

http://www.efoodsdirect.com/reasonstostorefood.asp

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Thanks for the info, and yes it scares the living shiot out of me....

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I didn't see anywhere on that entire site how long the food they sell lasts. He mentions other food with 15 year shelf lives, but nothing about what they sell.

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He is right on one key point-- in periods of extreme famine, gold will lose it's purchasing power relative to food. And that's what you'll need to purchase.

The best purpose for gold is to protect yourself from confiscation over the years coming up to a big famine/SHTF scenario.

It's like a tree legged stool: food, precious metals and...

Some might say land. Some might say guns.

Maybe it's a four legged stool.

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son? call them, the phone is right there......

Mac? have food in vacuum cans for two years an a bunch of sacks of rice, bean, flour and other goodies....one more year, plus about six months of can food.

Oh yea, and fifteen 25 lbs of cat food.

PS: don't forget the toilet paper :aetsch:

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You are correct and to solidfy the point we have the Word of God as prime example. Remember, the old testament was for our learning and admonition!

2Kings 6:25
And there was a great famine in Samaria: and, behold, they besieged it, until an ass's head was sold for fourscore pieces of silver, and the fourth part of a cab of dove's dung for five pieces of silver.

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Preparation is good, this guy is selling fear, greed.

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all I would need is a fishing pole and a fishing net
some pots and pans to cook with.
some seeds to plant.
oh if things get real bad then I would need a gun, promise I would only borrow things from the rich jewish, well would also borrow from any race, religion or foreigners that look down on Americans.
With my gun of coarse at least if I accidentally shot one of them it would give them a reason to look down on us
Just a thought
after seeing how jews look at us like we are always trying to get over on them or crazy people from iran always burning american flags.
even just going into a 7/11 owned by one one of those arabs, not all but most5 of them really do not like americans so why are they here in the great melting pot.
did I miss something or em I getting wiser, remember when everything was nice or was it.
:clap2: :musicus:

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No way Waltons stuff is full of Gm foods and crapola.

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May the first human you attempt to borrow from be Wallew or Ponce, and things will be nicer. :wink:

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These were my replies to a similiar topic on another forum:




Originally Posted by Trixie

This is a serious question - why gold? I am not being insulting - I just don't understand it. You can't eat gold. Of course, I am thinking of a total collapse - maybe the gold buyers are thinking of short term or partial collapse.
My thoughts would be along the lines of food, clothing, seeds, medical supplies -


Because it's been a store of value for 6,000 plus years.

Because the TPTB fear it, hoard it (personally) and at the same time use their lap dog central banks and certain gold and finance companies (barrick, Goldman Sachs) to keep the prices artificially low so that the massive inflation of their fiat currencies is not noticable.

Because a dollar is just a piece of paper or an electron---not something that has intrisinct value.

Because you need storable, portable wealth/money.

Because it is honest money that takes energy and resources to produce--not magically created ala the fed and fractional reserve lending.

Because the dollar and world currencies are inflating and hopefully you will be able to trade precious metals for goods and services after hyperinflation erodes your buying power (ala Argentina after the IMF wrecked their economy).

Because people need to save and Gold is a safe form of savings for all the reasons listed above.

Goods bought now are also a good thing; the things that you listed for complete SHTF scenerios. However, for those who wish to save some of their buying power for the future, Gold has a place. SHTF can't last for ever unless it is a complete global killer.

--SilverbackAg



Originally Posted by Trixie
Thanks for the info on gold. I will take the time to do some research. Although, it will just be for the information, as I doubt I will have cash to buy any. We will be too busy trying to buy a little more land, and all the other things necessary.


Land is a good thing; never can have too much (if property tax is low). Since before bliblical times 5 things have historically held wealth and safety. Land, water, gold, silver, and livestock. Pluses and minuses (my opinion) are given for each below.

Land--They can now tax you off it with severe property tax increases or simply seize through eminent domain. However, you can still grow your own food if you are able to retain it. Gives you a place to build shelter.

Water--Regulated; lots of places you must be hooked up to government/corporate water systems and/or they control the water rights for any rain or wells. Look for the water rights issues to become more intrusive in the future. Can be had for free if still in an unregulated area or you are good a concealing cisterns and wells on land that you may own (for the time being).

Silver--good for currency collapse to buy smaller items; however, bulky in any quantity thus making in harder to transport or hide. TPTB are afraid to let the price reflect the true scarcity--threatens their fiat currency and the knowledge that their fiat is super inflating. Historically Money.

Livestock-NAIS makes every animal chipable and traceable. The food source can be controlled. Plus there is always the chance of death due ordinary disease. Cattle, horses, sheep, and goats have historically been used as Money in various cultures for large ticket purchases (land, wives, etc).

Gold--Highly valuable is small forms. Can transport enormous amounts of wealth on the body. Easy to hide. Historically subject to seizure (U.S. 1933). Great demand by Asian and Middle Eastern banks and people. TPTB are deathly afraid of it due to the same reason given for Silver (inflation of fiat). Still used to settle transactions between federal reserve banks and national central banks to some extent. Historically Money.

--SilverbackAg

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well how about i pull of of the cans of that Sh*t I bought from them and read you the ingriedeints....
BLUEBERRY PANCAKE MIX

ENRICHED BLEACHED FLOUR, SUGAR, IMITATION BLUEBERRY NUGGETS, SOYA FLOUR, DEXTROSE, LEVENING, MODIFIED STARCH, VEGETABLE SHORTNING,PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED SOYBEAN AND COTTONSEED OILS, WHOLE EGGS, BUTTERMILK, SALT, SOY LETHICIN, NON FAT MILK.

Dextrose
Dextrose is more or less an industry term for glucose. Glucose isthe most prevalent sugar in the human and the only molecule that the brain can metabolize. Dextrose is refined from corn starch. It has a very high glycemic index (no surprise since it is glucose) and while it contains no fructose, it is still a simple sugar that is very readily absorbed. It is not as dangerous as sucrose but it still is a highly processed product that should be avoided.





Genetically-engineered soya - the technology

Monsanto, the US-based multinational speciality chemical and pharmaceutical company, has developed a new soya bean plant which is genetically-engineered to be resistant to the Monsanto herbicide, Roundup®. In traditional soya varieties, Roundup® blocks the build-up of essential substances for growth of the soya plant, but the modified plant, Roundup ReadyTM produces a new type of protein enabling it to circumvent this blocker.

mODIFIED fOOD sTARCH- http://www.truthinlabeling.org/nomsg.html

GET THE PICTURE?

i'M KEEPING THE CRAP i BOUGHT FROM THEM AS BARTER ITEMS, THE SHEEP WILL WANT THEIR msg/SUGAR FIX.

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As much as %80 of non-organic beans are genitically modified. So odd are that the one that they carry are GM as well. Now Waltons dose carry an assortment of organic blulk beans and what not that I would be fine buying. But really unless you buying organic (NOT USDA ORGANIC< BUT QUAI OR OTHER CERTIFICATIONS) your taking a gamble in buying food that are dangerous to your health. In a SHTF situation I would not want to take that gamble.

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Could some one please give him the link to "Refugee".....

By the way Bama, I got one of my one year supply from him.

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Refugee dose not purchase organic foods if that makes a difference to you. I run a non-profit co-op(not a 501 type just the type where a group gets together to do bulk buys.) we buy organic etc. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Green_Goddess_Co-ops

Check out http://www.providentliving.org/chann...1706-1,00.html for the basic info. Also in yahoo groups look for LDS Food storage group they are a great resource and have a comprehensive free food storage calculator.

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Buy and grow the your own and can it and store it yourself would be my personal recommendation...Plus when you learn to make most of your foods from scratch you'll be covered in the event something causes you to need to go elsewhere. We don't have special food we store for TSHTF scenario but instead rotate our normal food. We aren't completely there but should be in the next year or two where everything we eat is our 'inventory' and we never had the need to work through our TSHTF food (or in Ponce's case, give it away).

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Goddess - What about Mountain House - I just bought on a great deal from them...how do they stack up?

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That is the best suggestion. buy what you eat and eat what you store. the easiest way to do this is to take all your grocery reciepts for the month, make a list of everythig you buy then multiply that by 12 and you will get a good estimate of what you need to purchase. Obiously perishable like milk and veggie will need to be replaced by the dry counter parts.

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Two questions:
__________________________________

How long will lean beef jerky stay in decent
shape if stored in mason jars?

I have made beef jerky since I was a kid,
but a batch was always munched down to
nothing within a week. So I don't know from
experience about long term viability.

Does jerky longevity depend on a high salt
concentration? Or is the salt just to help
dehydrate the tissue?

I once ate some beef jerky that wasn't even
salted, ... just dried. It was maybe six months old,
very hard and tasted awful, but I didn't get sick.

__________________________________

Is there any reason beef jerky should not be made
with salt and HONEY?
___________________________________

namaste'
and dtnwn

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I am only one person and the one year can food supply that I keep is to much for me alone because every other day I go to town in order to eat so that I have no choice but to give it away once a year and simply buy more...... besides it helps a lot of people at the church that I donate the food.

I am only talking about my can food and not my bulk food......like rice, beans, sugar and so on.

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Hey Ponce, I wasn't trying to pick on you there. I actually admire what you do giving it away, just offering my $0.005 worth (it used to be 0.02 but inflation kinda knocked it down) on what I do and what you do as contrasts, not that one is better than the other.

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I cook almost everything from scratch - and I have the obligatory rice, beans, etc. put away - but I got the freeze-dried cause I figured if TSHTF it might be nice to have something quick, easy and flavorful to break up the other stuff.........and while I don't care for hydrogenated oils and refuse to use MSG given a choice, I also figure that a little in that sort of situation, is not a big worry!

Thanks for the response........

Cheers!

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"What is the difference between natural glutamate and MSG?

It does not matter whether you select glutamate-rich foods and ingredients like tomatoes, Parmesan cheese, walnuts, MSG or soy sauce, the glutamate in each is the same.

Medical specialists have known for decades that your body does not distinguish between the glutamate found naturally in foods and that in MSG. In fact, even today�s state-of-the-art technology can�t separate them. For example, if you analyzed a plate of spaghetti, you could find out the total amount of glutamate in the dish. However, since glutamate is glutamate, there is no way to determine whether the glutamate came from tomatoes, Parmesan cheese or MSG. "

http://www.msgfacts.com/facts/msgfact08.html

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Mountain House is loaded with modified food starch. Among other problems, modified food starch is a major trigger of migraine headaches, a very common ailment. One serving of Mountain House lasagna gave me a vicious migraine within 20 minutes! I was puking in 40 minutes. It seems to contain far more of the stuff than your average commercially packaged (grocery store) food, which may be why FD foods don't sit well with people who can handle grocery-store type foods or naturally occurring MSG in produce. Also, watch the sodium content in FDs like Mountain House. It's very high in a lot of FD foods, especially the "meal" types. If you've done a lot of camping, you'll notice a lot of experienced campers don't like to live on FD foods for more than a couple of days because it does unpleasant things to the digestive tract.

That said, I do store FD foods, but I buy the ingredients as separates (plain chicken, plain beans, etc.) and won't buy from a site that doesn't list ingredients (unfortunately, some sites don't bother to list all ingredients!). Read labels. FD broccoli, for example, always contains MSG or modified food starch (very similar in their effects). Most FD potato products and some dehydrated potatoes do, too. AlpineAire limits the amount of bad stuff in their products, and their Web site has a good ingredient list for each product and points out potential problems for those with food sensitivities, but AlpineAire is comparatively expensive. My plan is to use FD foods primarily as enhancement for rice- and pasta-based dishes.

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Four-legged stool!!! Which looks sturdier to you?.....

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The grocery store has far more msg than MH......

But really....there are far worse 'things/products' than msg. For instance: smoking, alcohol, otc drugs, a high fat diet etc. How many complain about msg and then light up a smoke or open a pepsi? I wonder....

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Longevity has to do with the fat content of the meat, buy the most lean meat possible. Fatty meat will go rancid faster. Theres not reason not to use honey and salt.

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MADDIE - thanks for the response - excellent points, appreciated!!

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Weston A Price and Francis Marion Pottenger have done tons of research about what real food is all about. Their work has generally been pushed aside by the food industry at large. I'd definitely recommend reading Price's book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. The Weston A Price Foundation also has a great cookbook called Nourishing Traditions which has a good section on lactic canning and preserving which was widely used before modern preserving techniques took over with their additives and whatnot.

http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html

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:birthday: LOVE W.A.P.!

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I take kind of a middle route.

We chose a lot of beans, rice, corn, steel cut oats, grits, etc, lots of sprouts seeds, and some MH type foods for variety. I figure in a balance of mostly wholesome organic foods my body will tolerate some dreck, and only needing to boil water may be a plus at times.

We also have raisins, freeze dried veggies, a garden ready to plant and good non hybrid seed.

But in the worst case a garden may not be possible. Others might harvest it by force in the worst case. I am hoping community will hold up well enough here (there is reason to believe it will) that I can share garden seed with established gardening clubs and a local urban gardening program so different gardeners take on the task of growing providing seed of different bean types, squash types, etc. for community use. That could create trade goods too. They get paid in veggies for the garden space they used growing seed.

But if, briefly, people are hungry and things are broken down, then I would want to stay indoors and eat from storage. Sometimes fuel might be a problem and cooking beans or such less attractive. Yes, I have a solar oven, but no way to get it sun invisibly. (Though I am thinking on it) and some stored fuel. But I might prefer to ration it.

Sprouts do provide superb vitamin, mineral, and enzyme nutrition, but not many calories, unless you eat a bale.

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That's my stance too........I have been trying to express that the freeze-dried foods are part of a balance.....or, as the tagline says.............>

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He was right on with his discussion.

Bad things are coming and food is the way to control a population.

Now, if you have a 7 to 10 year store of food for yourself and your family, then pm's are definitely worth getting, as well as lead.

One can not be too prepared for the future.

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I listened to this. A lot of preaching and scare mongering. Not to say food isn't important, but this is not an honest and intelligent way to discuss it. Maybe people need some emotional impetus to get started, I don't know.

About 10% of the people have bad reactions to MSG--headaches up to migranes being the main one. This is why Chinese restaurants advertise "no MSG", because it's so endemic. I don't find that anyone has adverse reactions to pastas, as suggested, unless it's wheat intolerance. The high percentage, plus the severe effects suggest that MSG doesn't do anyone else any favors either, even if they don't feel it directly.

Again, I'll suggest MaryJanesFarm.com, which uses as wholesome ingredients you can get at a modest price. MH seemed too salty if nothing else, and I find it hard to believe much vitamin value survives the process. Here's an example: single serving=53% of daily sodium. Zut! Three meals a day=160% of daily sodium. I'm not sure I could bear that even packing. The light weight is offset by the terrible nutrition. Good if you need to move fast and light, I suppose, but if so, you probably need calories as well, which leads you to MREs instead.

Jerky is problematic, but if you dry enough and use O2 packs, it should work. That's how the stores do it. Waltons, among other places have them.

Absolutely self-canning/storing is A-1 because of practice growing, canning, storing, thinking. After that, doubling up your grocery list is next, with an eye to easy store things you don't usually use (barley, wheat berries, sprouts seeds, eg) and what other people may most want (coffee, chocolate, alcohol, TP, feminine, formula)

Things to think about. I most disagree with the speaker's view that food would at all help you. If you sit on a stash and all your nieghbors have gone in for their--whatever-he-fears--then you will be far enough out of the system they will turn you in and take your food. You'll stand out. In that case, 5 years won't help you because after 18 months you'll already be had. Likewise if there is a famine and you even LOOK like you're eating. The local Emergency office will be over post haste to "redistribute" your food to the poor starving people, starting with themselves. (We need strong, healthy law enforcers in these troubled times, don't we?)

Back to seeds, trees, vines, growing your own. Especially if you plant throughout your area on roadsides, parks, and railroads. Don't be selfish. What's in your pocket is easy to take. It's what can't be seen that's valuable.

TS

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that is the best way to do it. that mormon website about the topic presents the sanest approach.

why waste money on food you likely arent going to eat like all that dessicated stuff? yuck.

last night, I rotated through a big jar of sauerkraut I bought a year ago. tastes fine, baked with weisswurst and some white wine.